Our special guest is Walshy Fire from Major Lazer.
This is not just another Walshy Fire interview. We enjoyed reasoning with someone that AGARD and I have known for decades. Before the podcasts, and before all the fame. If you’re not familiar with Walshy Fire I don’t know what rock you’ve been under. He has been everywhere in the world to deejay.
Our Walshy Fire interview was centered on the state of the culture. We commented on dancehall, reggae, and business. We talked about soundclash and life in general. We didn’t get into a lot of his background. If you want to check into his background, he’s done many interviews in the past. If you’re looking for that go check out this spot.
During this Walshy Fire interview, we checked in and started shooting from the hip. The session was militant, and energetic, which is a good combination.
Walshy Fire Interview
- How quarantine has changed life.
- The soundtrack to the revolution.
- Soundclash.com and the Quarantine Clash series.
- Upcoming Major Lazer albums, artists, and mixtapes.
- The “Customized Years” book.
- The energy of nightlife versus day parties.
- Influencers standing against destructive music.
- The end of “niggering.”
- Highlights for 2020 so far.
Buzzworthy, Tastemaker, and Soundclash Update
- Buju Banton celebrated a birthday.
- Donovan Jermaine and Buju received their gold record plaques for Til Shiloh.
- Vice News mini-documentary: The Story of “It Wasn’t Me,” by Shaggy.
- Richie Spice album, “Together We Stand.”
- Hecklers Inc/Di Phoenix page for new and classic sound system audio.
- Clash of the week: Black Roze vs. Natural Vibes vs. Supergold.
- Fanmail from a small town called Dujail, Kenya
- Kahlil Wonda guests on The Vault: Classic Music Reviews podcast review of Til Shiloh.
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Full Walshy Fire Interview Episode Transcript
Intro Voiceover: [00:00:02] Welcome to the Reggae Lover Podcast.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:00:08] So grateful that you tuned in to a new Reggae Lover Podcast episode. This is Kahlil Wonda from Highlanda Sound.
AGARD: [00:00:15] This is AGARD. What up people?
Kahlil Wonda: [00:00:17] Yeah, man. We’re back again. Big up to all of the listeners tuning in live right now via NiceUpRadio.com.
AGARD: [00:00:24] And listening on every single platform where podcasts are available. Shout out all the listeners across the world.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:00:31] Today we have a very interesting show. You guys are going to love this conversation. We have a special guest. Of Major Lazer, formerly of Black Chiney, Walshy Fire.
For those of you who don’t know, this is somebody that AGARD and I have known for decades. Before the podcasts, before all the fame. This is a dude that’s been everywhere in the world to deejay. If you’re not familiar with Walshy Fire I don’t know what rock you’ve been under.
We had a conversation. We talked about the state of the culture. We talked about the dancehall, reggae, the business. We talked about soundclash and just life.
AGARD: [00:01:10] We didn’t get into a lot of his background. If you want to check into his background, he’s done many interviews in the past. So if you’re looking for that, you know, I’m saying you can go check out some other spots.
This interview or this conversation, I should say, we’re just kind of checking in and shooting from the hip.
Beginning of Walshy Fire Interview
Kahlil Wonda: [00:01:31] Stay tuned. Here’s our conversation with Walshy Fire.
Walshy Fire: [00:01:42] Yo welcome everybody to the Reggae Lover Podcast. You know, I’m saying I got the young guys here. My name is Walshy Fire. So how are you guys?
AGARD: [00:01:51] Yo, good man. Good. How are you, man?
Walshy Fire: [00:01:53] I’m blessed bros.
AGARD: [00:01:54] Still in J.A. right?
Walshy Fire: [00:01:55] You know what, man? I don’t actually tell people when I move and I have made a move.
AGARD: [00:02:01] OK.
Walshy Fire: [00:02:02] I try to keep my personal stuff completely off the internet.
AGARD: [00:02:06] Got it.
Walshy Fire: [00:02:07] So you know, I’m not in Jamaica right now, but if that’s where everybody thinks I am then that’s good.
AGARD: [00:02:12] Yeah. We’ll edit it out.
Walshy Fire: [00:02:13] You can leave it in man. It’s crazy because I think about it, man. I think about just how unreal the Internet is. It’s not real. And we get caught up in it so much and we begin to think that what we’re seeing is really so important.
And then we forget what’s really, really important. And we forget about how much we actually jeopardize those things and compromise those things by giving up too much information.
So of course say less is like the best thing to do. Show less, say less, do more, you know? And that’s just what I been like really on the Internet for the last five years.
AGARD: [00:02:50] Right. Right. Yeah. It shows. Yeah, definitely.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:02:53] We’re in the midst of, you know, some crazy times right now. Like we say in Reggae, the time is dread.
Walshy Fire: [00:02:58] Yeah mom.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:02:59] And when this first hit we were like, yo certain and certain people seem to have just taken off during the quarantine, almost like they knew it was about to go down.
Walshy Fire: [00:03:09] Well, isn’t that what it is, right? Isn’t that what success is? Preparation Meets opportunity? Its the formula, right? You look at a D-Nice. I’m assuming you’re talking about like the D-NICE’s, the Swizz Beatz. If its some other people you’re talking about…
Kahlil Wonda: [00:03:25] They were mentioned but we were… You know, I was thinking about you because you know what I’m saying.
Walshy Fire: [00:03:30] I think I’ve had some great, great, great moments, man. But, you know, I’m working hard every day, so I might not see the way you guys see it. You know, I’m actually like trying to do my best every single day.
So I see their success. And I see and I applaud their success. And so, you know, I just think that’s what it is man. Preparation. For instance, with me soundclash.com is something I bought a year ago. And I was just like, you know, one day I’m going to use this.
AGARD: [00:04:02] I think you had mentioned it to me one time. I remember.
Walshy Fire: [00:04:05] Yeah man, you know, its a drama. But I was like yo I’m going to build a little sound clash platform and I’m going to begin to do sound clashes and things like that.
That was my mentality a year ago when I bought it. But I would say, yo, I just got wait till I slow down a little bit late. Wait until the music thing, which was not slowing down at all, slows down. And then, of course, Covid slowed it down for me.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:04:29] So for 2020, it’s been a weird year. What’s your highlight so far?
Walshy Fire: [00:04:33] Yeah, the highlight is being able to take away myself forcibly by covid and focus on the things that matter. A lot of things I won’t mention. One of those things is music. So I’ve made a lot of music. I’ve also lost twelve pounds.
I’ve eaten cooked food every day for 3 months. I’ve done minimal exercising. I’ve done like maybe two times a week workouts and I might walk up and down a hill. But for the most part, I think I’m a testament to what diet, what diet really does. No junk food at all, which means no airplane food with no airport food.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:05:10] Right. I know that road…
Walshy Fire: [00:05:12] Yeah Mon. And then, of course, you know, just the little things like having a mango tree. You never really realize it. That stuff, really, if it can fill you up. You can really eat a couple of mangoes and be good.
You know, I have a breadfruit tree, a mango tree, an akee tree, a coconut tree, and a… I can’t remember – star apple. And so you eat. You watch these things in rotation drop. You realize, you know, this is what life really is. Right?
This thing just fell off the tree into my hand. I’m about to eat it fresh alive. Filling me with life. I stopped eating meat a long time ago. I just feel like I kind of like reaffirmed that whole… That whole reason by watching my weight just go from eating on a structured time.
First of all. And then eating things that are good. Structure is also, I think a major thing that I got out of this man. As we start to what seems like maybe come out if this, I hope I get to maintain that structure because I love it and I love going to bed early. And I love waking up at eight o’clock.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:06:23] I’ve heard you talk about that in relation to the events and the difference between your nightlife and then daytime parties and day time events.
Walshy Fire: [00:06:31] Yes. It’s a big reasoning. It’s amazing how the brain just starts to get into a lower and lower and lower frequency the later and later and later you go. You keep a daytime event where you’re going to get working-class people and they’re going to come have a good time.
It’s actually gonna be super fun. And then they’re going to go home and go to bed. As that eleven o’clock crowd starts to creep out, you start to see a lot more of the foolishness, a lot more of the degradation, a lot more of the wildness.
And you start to realize like this is what I do for a career. I put myself in rooms where the worst of the worse are. And I play music that’s super hurtful. You know, I play a lot of music that’s like yo “kill black man, kill black man, kill black man, hoes bitches, hoes bitches, kill all the black man.
Yo, I’m a black man. I’ma kill a black man.” And you start to understand that those songs don’t really fly so wickedly in the day. In the daytime, you’re much more likely to hear, “I want to thank you, Heavenly Father,” and, you know, Alias, Follow me, and f____ electric slide.
So its like you start to understand how the temperature starts to rise as the sun falls. And I just want to do my best to take myself away from… I don’t want them to stop because I enjoyed it while I was doing it. Whoever wants to do it go Do it.
But I want to offer a lot more things that offer… I want to offer a lot of alternatives to the things that I now can see. The energy is just… It doesn’t cultivate. It doesn’t match what’s happening in society right now.
I was gonna make a post and say, you know, “who’s going to be the first rapper to come out with some ignorant s___ songs,” you know, and I didn’t post it. But, you know, it’s a question I ask myself, for real who’s going to be the first rapper?
Then, of course, 69 does, and you start to realize like yeah. That’s exactly what I expect. Nicki Minaj. It’s like, yo, its exactly what I expect? I expect you guys to drop a song that totally goes in the opposite direction of what is happening.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:08:29] Of what’s needed.
Walshy Fire: [00:08:30] What’s needed right now. Because remember now, if it’s a revolution, a revolution needs a soundtrack. Every revolution needs a soundtrack.
When you look at the 60s, you look at Jimi Hendrix, you look at The Last Poets. You look at yo, you look at all of that. You’re like, “F____! I would have got my f_____ gun too and walked outside.”
AGARD: [00:08:46] Right.
Walshy Fire: [00:08:47] So now what do we do? Here we are with a chance for people to put some sonic to the movement. And that’s one of the first songs, but I got to say, shout out to Lil Baby.
Lil Baby has become my favorite rapper because I didn’t expect Lil Baby to be the first one that I saw that was doing negative music to drop a f____ powerful, impactful, movement song.
I didn’t expect that, you know, because I could tell you right now, I don’t even know two of Lil Baby’s songs.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:09:14] Right.
Walshy Fire: [00:09:14] I was expecting maybe Da Baby would. I was expecting, like, not J. Cole and Kendrick Lamar, like they supposed to. But I was looking, I was like, which one…
Which one of the rappers that is like, “I’ll kill a nigga, I’ll kill a nigga,” is gonna be the first one to be like, “yo let’s do something.” And I thought it was gonna be Da Baby. My money was on Da Baby. And it ending up being Lil Baby. And I was like, yo, I f____ with this.
The video is dope. Is just… It’s just the right thing to do. It’s like, yo, it don’t take nothing, nowadays, to make a song today. Drop the video tomorrow. It don’t take nothing.
So if you see everybody outside collaborating and coming together as a community about a cause, and you’re inside, and all you can look at that microphone and say is, “I wish. I wish a nigga would, and bitch drop it low?” I think that a lot of people are now gonna start to realize, like, you might be a fed yo. You might be an enemy to progress bro. You know, cause…
Kahlil Wonda: [00:10:10] I hope so.
Walshy Fire: [00:10:11] Yeah. Because in these times you want to kill each other? You know, you’re an enemy.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:10:17] So you talk about music a little bit there. Like, you know what? What are you… You may not want to let certain things out at this point, but, you know, what are you excited about? You know, in terms of the future.
Walshy Fire: [00:10:30] We’ll do a Major Lazer album for sure. I’ll drop more riddims for sure. I’ll drop more mixtapes for sure. We’ll do it all man. You know, we deh yah a work man. But right now I’m really working on some projects, man. I’ve started to… I don’t want to call names, but. I’m really excited. Really, really excited.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:10:51] Ok, I’m going to ask you specifically. You know what, if there’s any new artists that you would mention at this juncture like, you know, that you would shove out or whoever is out now that you’ve noticed that is like “Yeah,” You know. There have been a couple of releases, you know, into quarantine so far.
Walshy Fire: [00:11:11] Yeah, no. The reason why I say, like, yo, I don’t think there’s anybody that I would say that you guys don’t already know. I feel like everybody who’s done something amazing during the quarantine, it got revealed.
Because good music finds good people. You guys are good people, you know the good music already. I’m not gonna blow anybody’s mind here and now by saying somebody that they don’t know. You all know who the dope artists are.
You all continue to support them, and, you know, continue to give them that platform. Me saying Lila Ike is not gonna blow anybody’s mind. It’s the obvious answer, you know and everybody else.
So big up to all the new artists that are doing their thing and have continued to do their thing during a rough time of promotion. Understanding how to put… How to get music out there and they still maintain and do their thing. Shout out to them.
AGARD: [00:11:58] Yeah, man, I got to say, you’re the first person that I know personally that I’ve actually seen do three hundred plus days in a year.
Walshy Fire: [00:12:10] Year to year. Me a di year to year selecta!
AGARD: [00:12:12] Jeez. I mean, just seeing that alone allowed me to say, you know what? Anybody who’s out here doing anything right now, especially on that level, you’ve got to respect them man. You’ve got to respect them. But, you know, we we’ve known each other, what, since shoot 98, something like that?
Walshy Fire: [00:12:32] I’ve known you guys for a long f____ time man. People might think that this is just an interview with, like, I don’t know, but… I know these guys a long time.
AGARD: [00:12:42] Yeah, definitely. I mean, we mention you a lot on the show. People might think you sponsor us. But yeah man you’ve gone through a definitely a lot of transitions in your career.
Walshy Fire: [00:12:54] And a lot of Changez!
AGARD: [00:12:56] Changez yeah. Exactly. Shout out Skywalker and the whole crew. But yeah, man, I mean, at one point, look, let’s turn to a little Soundsystem thing right now. So at one point, I believe in my estimation, America was kind of dead when it came to MC’s, man. And you were definitely you know, I’m saying in the States, it was… To me it was you and Nasheen.
Walshy Fire: [00:13:20] Yeah. I ended up clashing Nosheen as my first clash ever. Can you believe that?
AGARD: [00:13:23] Oh yeah? Well, he was on…
Walshy Fire: [00:13:28] He was playing Capricorn. I don’t know if you guys remember that sound in Atlanta. Capricorn.
AGARD: [00:13:31] Oh yeah.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:13:32] Yeah. We talk about Capricorn all the time too. They still got the base in the Bronx. Yeah, that sound is loaded.
Walshy Fire: [00:13:40] Yeah. Man, that was my first clash and first kill. I think Nasheen left that sound that night. He ended up being one of the greatest to do it. I would have loved to see… Yo message to machine.
I know seh him a watch everything and a say, “you know say me badda than the whole a dem?” Nasheen, lots of sounds that need an M.C… I know you a do your ting dadda. You a buss the crowd loud, loud, loud. Nasheen me a beg you.
Pick up one of dem old sounds. Pick up one of the sounds that actually might even have like Dennis Brown, Garnett Silk. Go… There’s tons of sounds.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:14:18] Yeah.
Walshy Fire: [00:14:19] Yo there’s cats I know that want to sell their sound. Sell the dub plate dem. Nasheen me a beg you, pick up one of them sound deh go road cause people really enjoyed what you did.
Well, anyways, you know, all of those guys, man Nasheen, King Apocalypse, Rudie International. You guys remember a song called Militant?
Kahlil Wonda: [00:14:44] Yeah. Yes, definitely. V.I. sound. Yo. Oh my God. Yo, one of them used to live in an apartment complex we used to live in back in the day.
Walshy Fire: [00:14:53] Yeah, I haven’t hear of those guys since I left Atlanta.
AGARD: [00:14:58] Yeah. I mean I’ve made a plea on this show for certain Atlanta sounds to really, you know, saying once this thing is over, like I definitely want to see King A-P on the world stage because I mean… They’re supposed to be scheduled for 1,2,3 Badda Dan. So that’s a good thing. Who’s that dude that’s still on Capricorn? I know him as Anthony.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:15:21] Stitchie.
AGARD: [00:15:21] Stitchie, Yes. They’ve been doing things. You know, you think Major Lazer? What’s up? Soundclash ting. You like no. Why not? Not even Red Bull.
Walshy Fire: [00:15:41] We did Red Bull man. Come on.
AGARD: [00:15:42] Yeah. I know man, it’s just… You guys got so much. I want… So the reason why I’m asking that question is because I appreciate stuff like Red Bull.
Obviously, I appreciate stuff like the old school style and everything. But there needs to be… Obviously you’re doing the quarantine clash, right? So but I think there needs to be new looks. You know what I’m saying. I appreciate you.
Walshy Fire: [00:16:06] I’ll respond to you like this and say I know how I used to think. And I know how I have evolved to think. And I’ve watched a lot of people around me think like how I’ve evolved to think way back.
Back in the day. I think I’ve had about 25 years of watching people think how I think now and watching them. And for some reason, I just couldn’t think like that. It just didn’t work for me. It was like my mind was like, yo…
Maybe I wanted the fame, the glory. Maybe I loved to participate. Maybe I love the action. I loved… I love jokes. I love when somebody can give me good jokes like that. When a joke is funny. And it’s hurtful, funny, like if it’s hurtful.
That’s the best to me. Because then I’m like, “Thank you. Finally, some jokes that hurt. Let’s go.” Because that’s how I grew up in Miami. So that’s how I use to think. And then I watched all of these guys around me think like a boss.
That’s how I think now. So every single question anybody ever asked me my mind automatically like a tennis racket, just goes, “Boop.” Because my mind is going to say… It’s like, no way can somebody ask me, yo, Walshy, you should do Red Bull clash.
You should if they ever do Red Bull clash again. You should do it again, because my response. One thousand percent of the time is going to be, “Well, why don’t I do my own Red Bull?”
AGARD: [00:17:40] Right.
Walshy Fire: [00:17:41] Cause now I think like that. And I just have to use that word, boss. I think like a boss. Like you can you imagine? I watched dudes like Bodafuco and… Yo there’s like endless names…
And literally work with them man deh every single day. Every single day. As the soldier, as the guy out in the field shooting the gun.
AGARD: [00:18:03] Right.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:18:03] Right.
Walshy Fire: [00:18:03] And then eventually you start to realize that yo. I need to just recruit soldiers. I need to get guys and I need to go ahead and I need to create something amazing instead of watching somebody else create something amazing. I hope they pick me.
Go create something amazing. So that’s how my mind has worked for us for at least the last five years. And so, I look at something like what you just asked about, like, you know you should be… Yo Major Lazer should clash.
And I say, OK, well, I don’t know if you guys know this but Red Bull is no longer doing clashes. Red Bull Academy is closed. They’re completely gone. And as far as we know, that’s it. No more clashes from them. So then I look at the space. And I say. Why don’t I do that?
AGARD: [00:18:55] Yeah.
Walshy Fire: [00:18:56] Why do I get investors? Why don’t I get creative? A creative team. Why don’t I put together something that gives what I love to do a big platform. Now, I’m not saying I’m going to do it. I’m just saying that that’s how my mind works.
Now, if I actually begin to start to think about it and go, “man, I’m not gonna do that. It’s so much time, so much da da da… I’m gonna need someone dedicated to this full time. I’m not going to do it.” But that’s how my mind thinks now.
So I’m not really like the person that’s so much being like… Like I’m still on the streets. I’m on the ground. I’m super accessible. Anybody, anywhere, any time. Know, my number never changed. Link me, always respond. Always reply. DM Whatever. Always super excessive, but at the same time, I’m aware that accessibility is bad.
Walshy Fire: [00:19:45] Yeah,
Walshy Fire: [00:19:45] Right now I’m in the streets. I’m on the ground. I’ll come support you dance. You can ask me anything. But I also understand that that accessibility is bad.
And so I think that I will do even bigger things than the bosses that I’ve seen before me. With all respect, because they are able… They were able to sit high and nobody maybe even knew who they were and do their thing.
I believe I’ll be able to do that and this and that ground that I cover in between, I think will add more value to whatever it is I’m doing.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:20:20] That’s a great answer, man. I definitely think we need more people with that mindset in this business. We need more of that mindset.
AGARD: [00:20:33] Yeah I see it every day? You know, I mean, even with me asking the question, you’re right. I’m not necessarily looking at the playing field like how you look into the playing field.
You know, I’m saying but I do like our passion is reggae, right? And sound clash and sound system culture. And, you know, it is easy to look at the business and say, where is the business? You know, I’m saying.
Walshy Fire: [00:20:54] Right.
AGARD: [00:20:54] So it’s like, so when there’s people like you out there, it’s like, yo, I’ve got to highlight this. Or like, tell you the truth. I mention you a lot, not because we’re friends, but because I see like I see things you’re doing.
That either I might have had an idea, but I didn’t have the resources or it’s something that I never even thought of. I’m like yo that’s the move right there.
Walshy Fire: [00:21:16] I’m glad you say that. Man, I really hope that I inspire anybody out there to just be like, yo, I don’t got to wait on nobody. You know, if everybody know me from Miami days, they know I was this guy selling tapes out in the streets.
And then I moved from tapes to selling fake New Era hats in the streets. And I just moved on and on and on. And the hustle never stopped. And then I got with some people that made bigger moves, and I was a great soldier.
I was out there making the movement a movement with other great soldiers. I won’t take credit by myself but… You guys probably can look… Go look at the history and be like, yo, from pirate radio to stage shows.
When I got involved, it became a monster. It became a real big thing because I really worked the streets. I worked the streets day and night to make sure that, yo, everybody ate, everybody won.
And so now I look at this game differently, you know, and I say, yo, you know what? There’s a lot of great things that are missing. And so I just need to be that full gambit of things. But from a boss level, organizing instruction, making sure that some great things happen. So, yeah man.
AGARD: [00:22:27] I’m also glad you said that. I’m gonna share some ideas with you.
Walshy Fire: [00:22:32] Always.
AGARD: [00:22:32] Definitely. Yeah. And I appreciate that accessibility when I…
Walshy Fire: [00:22:36] And I hurt people’s feelings a lot. I’ll tell you that much. A Lot of people don’t like to hear that what they’re thinking about just just might be, you know, not what we should do so…
I always tell people, like, maybe run it through a bunch of people first before you even bring it to me. Sometimes before you even bring it to me, You’ll be like, yo, you know what? It’s gonna be too difficult to do.
Its gonna be too crazy to do, or I’m too late. People always come to me. It’s not like I’m Shark Tank or nothing. Right? But people always come to me with ideas. And they’re mad late.
AGARD: [00:23:09] Yeah.
Walshy Fire: [00:23:11] Quarantine Clash wasn’t the first online clash. We all know that.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:23:14] No.
AGARD: [00:23:14] No.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:23:14] No, no.
Walshy Fire: [00:23:15] Quarantine Clash might have been the first online clash that was of that quality, that was on Twitch. Maybe even that was on YouTube. You know, like there were so many firsts that when I wrote it all down, I was like, yeah, let’s do this.
Because we have the creative minds and we have the capabilities with some tech people and we just need to put money together. That’s it. Well, let’s go. We’ve got the talent. Let’s go. If that hadn’t happened, I wouldn’t have got involved.
And so when I watch a lot of people doing the same thing that another guy is doing – its almost exactly the same. You know, I wish I was their friend. You know, I wish I was their friend bro. I wish they had a friend! I wish I had a friend.
Because in their mind, one they’re doing it differently. Them don’t really even pree to say, I’m not doing it. I’m doing exactly the same. Two, they… I truly believe… You know what, me nah go say that. Just know man.
You guys out there just do what you’re doing to the best of your ability, but do your research man. Be aware of what’s happening so that you can step out and be like, this is why all of you guys should invest in me.
Because I’m not giving you what they’re giving you. I’m not giving you what he, she, dem a gi you. If we are all giving you the same thing I am… I’m working twice as hard to get your investment. So what are they doing that I’m not…
That I can do differently? That’s how I get you to be like, yo, is it Gucci or Louis? Man what did I just say? Hold on. Is it a Daily Paper or… I’m trying to give another black brand. Fill-In-Pieces or man I don’t even know if Off White’s black anymore.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:25:00] You know, it’s hard to tell nowadays.
Walshy Fire: [00:25:01] You don’t know who really backing and running s___.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:25:05] Black on the surface and then you never know.
Walshy Fire: [00:25:07] There we go. So boom. Is it Daily Paper or Pyer Moss? F___ those other brands I just said. And I’m sorry I gave you guys a little bit of that slave conditioning that always, you know… I got a make sure I fight it back. It peaks every now and then.
Shout out to all my black businesses out there man. I promise I’ll support you to the max. And so, you know, when you’re looking at stuff like that, like, you know, these brands can’t make the exact same thing. We just would never… Nobody would win.
I understand that. But I understand that not everybody else understands that. And I just wish that those people had a friend that understood that because I do want to see everybody win and I think everybody can.
AGARD: [00:25:43] Yeah, it’s weird to sit back and watch because me as a consumer of those things its like I see it to where… Look, I’m not going to putting my down for trying, but it’s like definitely it’s like, OK, I see this idea. I like this idea. I’m going to do this idea better.
But it’s not a new idea. And we see that a lot in sound system, world and deejay culture and music. You know, that’s the biggest thing that I have right now with reggae. You know, I’m saying just as a consumer, forget like all the business aspect and all that.
You’ve seen it before, man. You know, somebody comes out with something hot and then somebody has to come out with the answer to that hot thing just like it, you know?
Walshy Fire: [00:26:22] Its the nature of I think of what we do right? Its like anything Caribbean is always going to have this like a crab in a bucket, kind of like, you know, maybe even black American too or whatever it is. It just like always has this tinge of, like, success breeding impersonators.
And you just kind of get this like yo when one person step out. Three of them will step out right after and be like “I’m the one.” Vybz Kartel say, “Yo me ago bleach fi be different.” Bag a man start bleach fi say, “Yo me different,” you know. And it’s like you just watchie, watchie, watch.
Its like yo guys, it’s not how you win. You gotta do something different because they’re going to invest in something that’s not exactly what they are already getting. But again, that’s something that, you know, you can’t teach everybody.
And so, you know, I hope that everybody can get somebody around them that can show them, yo, we want you to win and we want you to win by doing something different.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:27:15] I mean, I feel like one time gone. That was the thing. You know…
Walshy Fire: [00:27:18] It was there was such a big thing.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:27:19] In order… In order to be somebody have for me the most unique voice in Jamaica! You know, Yaffa, you know, completely. That’s why, like the 90s was so many different, weird, you know… Singing Ghost and then you have… Who would think of an artists like that?
Walshy Fire: [00:27:39] Doing a book right now. And the book is basically on what I call The Customized Years. I call it customized years because it’s the only time that I can recall and I would love for somebody to tell me I’m wrong. The only time I can recall every single thing was customized. Your outfit was tailor-made.
AGARD: [00:28:05] Yes.
Walshy Fire: [00:28:06] By a tailor. Linen suit with bag a sequins, and bag a suppen. Right? Your personality shine through this outfit. Your hair cut. Bag a design. Yo custom yo. It was nobody had. You never saw a dude with your haircut because you customized it to be like, yo me different.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:28:28] Right.
Walshy Fire: [00:28:28] Your jewelry, like you’d feel you’d be like, yo, I want to go get something made. You know, I’m sayin you see man with some different kind of chain like.
You know, and then when he got to the mid-90s that’s when everybody was like, nah, I’m good with the Jesus piece. But that late 80s to early 90s bro.
Everything was customized. Dubplates. Another example of customization. Me can’t play the same record if you a play that record.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:28:57] Even no playback a dance.
Walshy Fire: [00:28:59] History say me can’t play that record. And I can get the artists for come sing the song live. Me ago get the dubplate. Me ago pick a riddim that me like. And me ago just do it different.
And if you voice a dub on the same rhythm that he voiced a dub on. You know you’re wrong. You’ll watch… You watch Stone Love get the forward with Boom Bye Bye on the Turbo Punany. And you know say you a go get a forward. So you go for cut that. You know you’re going to get your forward, but you know say you’re wrong.
AGARD: [00:29:26] Everybody know a Stone Love tune
Walshy Fire: [00:29:27] You know is Stone Love vibes that. You know you’re wrong. Zeen all when you sleep with yourself and you tell me Walshy go suck yourself. Me. know say in your heart. You know say you wrong. You didn’t create that.
Walshy Fire: [00:29:41] I hope this is a clip. You know like Vlad and dem take like little pieces. I hope this is like a five minute clip right here. But anyways guys. I’m not gonna lie.
I really think that that is a testimony to and that’s why I’m doing a book on it, because to me that was the best, the best of black culture in the West. The Customized years. Your car was customized.
AGARD: [00:30:04] I was going to say yeah.
Walshy Fire: [00:30:05] Yo, everything… System was customized. Your system customized.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:30:08] I was talking about that sound system. Every sound build different. Sound different.
Walshy Fire: [00:30:14] No sound never said… No man whe a build sound say yo… All right. The man say yo, you know say me want Killamanjaro’s sound. The man look up and say, I don’t do that.
I don’t give you what I gave them. Move. Get out of my store now. Get out. There was a level of like, If I copy these dudes yo Imma look like a f____. Yo Imma look like a turd. So the mon dem, they just never did it.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:30:44] Why do you think that changed to the polar opposite to where it’s like, yo, it’s almost like the youths now are… They are petrified. They’re frightened to even be different.
Walshy Fire: [00:30:59] That’s our fault.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:30:59] People are like, yo, your playlist is my playlist is his playlist is her playlist. It’s like Yo, what are we doing here now? People like seriously.
Walshy Fire: [00:31:06] That’s our fault.
AGARD: [00:31:10] We never train them.
Walshy Fire: [00:31:11] We never trained them. We never sat down with them and say yo be unique. We were living our lives.
AGARD: [00:31:16] Yeah.
Walshy Fire: [00:31:16] Yo think about it. I was a Lo head man. I went from customized linen suits to Ralph. Now I look back and it’s kind of wack. Not to say that it’s not dope because it was a major part of my youth. I can name pieces. We can talk about Lo forever. But this is a white Jewish guy giving me Americana style.
AGARD: [00:31:38] Yeah.
Walshy Fire: [00:31:38] I’m an African Jamaican. That confusion started to really come in, you know. And man start… We just got Westernized man. We started to really take on the assimilation that we were rebelling against.
Why am I wearing the linen suit with sequin squares and gabardine and f____ see through, you know, mesh because I don’t give a f____ about these goddamn white people. These white people are telling me I need to wear jeans, get my shirt tucked in.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:32:14] Yeah. OK.
Walshy Fire: [00:32:16] A me saying F you.
AGARD: [00:32:18] That’s real.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:32:19] That means that now I know in foreign is a different thing, you know, because I know at a certain time we used to look upon a man and tell yo, this is a Jamaican, you know what I’m saying.
And then at a certain point you can’t tell by looking anymore. And that means, yo, the accent all starts switch up now. No more patois again certain times it’s “yo son, You na Mean?”
Walshy Fire: [00:32:46] Yo. The truth is man at the end of the day, we are to blame. We saw Biggie Smalls. We saw Puff Daddy. We saw… We saw Brooklyn, man. We saw cars. We saw Jewelry. I don’t know what the f___ an iceberg is. But we see the man a rap bout iceberg.
AGARD: [00:33:09] Next ting it big.
Walshy Fire: [00:33:11] And me a wear my linen shirt whe a man mek. That’s way more dope than an iceberg shirt. But nobody’s rapping about this.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:33:25] OK. So, I me nah tek accountability for this you know because me nuh inna the trends them from…
AGARD: [00:33:30] Yeah he’s always been different. It’s just me and you that was brainwashed.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:33:35] But, yo as you’re talking about this, you know what comes to my mind, son? Like what comes to my mind is Scared Dem. I don’t know.
Walshy Fire: [00:33:45] But the thing is that it started to like… Even if you look at Scared Dem. Red hair. One shirt tuck in. One pants foot tuck into the boot. One pants leg roll up.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:33:56] But it was Moschino.
Walshy Fire: [00:33:57] You know, Moschino. Yeah. Moschino every .ting. It’s like it went from tailers to… This is all.. This might be in my book. I don’t know. It might be too much to grab the one book, but, you know, it move from the tailers over to the Moschino and the Iceberg. And to the Coogi.
Even when it moved over, they themselves were still like, yo, I need to really like, they had just come from customization years. So it wasn’t like they cut it off completely. They slowly assimilated. Slowly and slowly, slowly.
We can’t act like a dude having dyed his hair red in 1995 was not a crazy thing. It’s very it was madness. It was something that we would have never did. We was like, yo, we not doing that man. Get outta here. But I get you.
You’re definitely trying to be different. And I f___ with it yo just be different, you know. And it wasn’t until it starts to move forward,and move forward, and move forward. A man say yo, rappers don’t die their hair. I’m not gonna die my hair. And now guess what? Rapper them start die them hair now.
Caribbean people start to die their hair again. I get it. It’s just like we became so… We were so individual, with influences of course, but we still maintained something that when we stepped into the room you were like, “That’s a Caribbean.”
Now it’s a little bit harder to detect. It’s a lot harder to detect, you know. If you know movement, and you know energy, you could detect it. But for the most part, it’s… It can be hard to detect that “thats a Caribbean person that walk into the room just now.”
While, You know, in 1990 you saw them lines going around his head. Nobody else did that. You know, that was a Caribbean thing. And we mastered that. We own that. And so you start realize say yo, you know say the man dem…
A nuff Caribbean people deh inna dis bloodclat. And so yeah, those years are done and it is what it is. But I’m going to do it. I’m doing a book right now on that.
AGARD: [00:36:05] Definitely can’t wait for that man. I’m glad we’re talking about this because I mean, my number one question nowadays, because right now you and a lot of rooms, you know, I’m saying you’ve had the experience of New York, Atlanta, Florida, of course, Jamaica.
And the big conundrum right now is how some of these Jamaican and Caribbean artists, how are they gonna break through to an environment like in America or even Europe. You know, I’m saying that’s the big question I’ve had for a while now.
You know, I mean, obviously, with your album ABENG, you’re putting Africa and Trinidad together. Africa and Jamaican, all these different things. But a lot of people don’t have that opportunity. So what’s the best course right now for breaking through? Is there even a strategy that they should have?
Walshy Fire: [00:36:55] There’s no strategy? There’s no way. I don’t have the answers. I wish everybody the best luck.
AGARD: [00:37:01] Yeah.
Walshy Fire: [00:37:01] That’s it. The people who work hard.
AGARD: [00:37:04] Yeah. There’s no formula.
Walshy Fire: [00:37:05] They’ll get the results. Yeah. You know, just like, yo, you want me to tell you or tell a person like yo you know say good if you do that. No.
Because that might have worked for somebody else. That might have been what worked for me. Yo just work man work. Drop song. Drop song. Drop song. Drop song. Don’t over think it.
AGARD: [00:37:21] Yeah that sounds about right.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:37:24] I have this thing that I’m pushing this season. Its called reggae reform. You understand. It’s the cultural things you are talking about, about the American culture coming in. KFC is the place to be in Kingston and rae are. Understand.
American TV, the styles have just merged and blended. Its all one. It’s a global thing. Matter of fact, you know, I know you talked about the new music of Jamaica when you were on to fix the new genre.
And then AGARD was like, yo, you know what I think genres are dead. It is not even relevant anymore. So now we have where… Then this imma get a little conspiracy theory on, you know, like, you know. You have white supremacy controlling a lot of the media and the music in America.
So, you know, you have that’s where you get the yo, “I’m a nigga, I’m a killer nigga music.” That’s just all over the radio where kids are listening and this and that. And then I feel like Jamaica just took that and followed that for no real reason.
Because, you know, I’m saying I feel like there’s opportunities to be more free and to be unique coming from… Yeah. We coming from this different place. We different. But, you know, I’m saying I think that the people dem just tek it wholesale and just start following and doing the same thing.
Doing the same content that the rappers are doing. But as you were talking about earlier, in these times, the time is dread. So, its like we need the revolutionary soundtrack. You know what I’m saying so that’s the thing that I’m really pushing right now.
Walshy Fire: [00:38:58] Anybody could what every artist will do what you want. You know but the people… I think are much more aware. You know, I’m not saying that, like, the 13 year olds are, because we know that’s the market for that kind of music.
You know, when you have a song weh say, “kill a nigga, kill a nigga” we know 13 and 14-year-olds are the ones that are like, yo, this is… I need to go do this. Everybody with sense should be able to differentiate, you know what’s going on.
But, just imagine if you told that 13 or 14-year-old something amazing, something positive. That energy would then go into their teens and into adulthood. You know, we could have something incredible happen.
So. Artists do what you want to do, but just know that responsibility that we people like myself are holding you accountable. I think that that’s the problem. We haven’t held anybody accountable for a lot of stuff.
When I’m in Jamaica, man, and I see everybody bleaching, you know it hurts my heart. It hurts my heard, you know. But we haven’t really gotten really dealt with the things that we need to.
AGARD: [00:40:03] Right.
Walshy Fire: [00:40:03] Everybody is very cautious about what they say. Noboby want to really hurt nobody feelings and step on toes or get hurt. So everybody is very cautious about what they say, you know, like. It’s about time.
It can’t be one person. It’s got to be everybody that’s in agreeance with it. So speak up. We don’t need to… We just don’t need to hear songs about black people killing black people.
AGARD: [00:40:28] Yeah.
Walshy Fire: [00:40:28] We have actually got tens of thousands of them. Can somebody come up with something new? Is there a new topic that maybe we could be talking about? I hope so.
I hope somebody can look at what’s happening or just come up creatively… Creatively, and come up with something and say yo this is my new topic.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:40:48] Any time you following… Any time you see what somebody puts out on social or whatever, and then you say, oh, great idea. I’m going to do that. You’ve got to realize the people that are really creating… They’re like… They’re five years ahead right now.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:41:04] If you see them putting out something now that means that when you start following that they’re five years ahead of you. They’re about to drop something completely different.
So I’m saying like, yeah, man, I agree with you. Artists Do what you want, but make sure that it’s coming from. You know, like a real, genuine place. Like it’s real artistry. And I think that…
Walshy Fire: [00:41:26] Artists yo. Don’t… Go do what you want. I ain’t gon’ make sure… Don’t make sure nothing. You do what you want. If you feel like.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:41:33] No Man. Stop follow fashion unno one another.
Walshy Fire: [00:41:35] If you feel like “kill a nigga, kill a nigga, kill a nigga,” is what you woke up this morning to go do, go do it. But I believe that the people… Myself, we will begin to hold you accountable. We’ll begin to…
We won’t be so passive. We won’t be so mute. Do what you want to do. But, I think the moment you start to feel that there’ll be… There’s going to be a pressure and a backlash from people who understand what the music really does to the spirit and to the mind.
Maybe you’ll start to be more creative. So do what you want to do. It’s kind of like I’m saying its your move.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:42:15] “Go kill yourself.” No, just kidding.
AGARD: [00:42:17] I mean, when I was in the military, I had an officer would tell us “I’ma give you a rope. You need to pull yourself up or You can hang yourself. And I think that’s what you’re saying. And really and truly, that’s what the environment is right now.
And even with me, look, I like vibes. You know, we all grew up on vibes. You know, we’ve heard violent music growing up. You know, it was creative. It was, for the most part, commentary on what was going on in certain situations. But it hurts me to play certain songs now, man.
You’re not. I mean, it really does, because, you know, when I look at the music coming out of Jamaica right now. The.. Recent dancehall. The Beats, I like the beats. And I’m saying they’ve grown on me. It’s a different bassline and all that different structure. But I like the beats.
But some of these lyrics… Its nothing that I could relate to. Its nothing that nobody I know can relate to. So I get what you’re saying, man. I think where the difficult part is is the accountability. Because before it used to be dollars and cents. Right.
And now records aren’t selling. You know, you got streams and it’s all types of different mathematics going on to judge success. So it’s like we can’t really… It’s like we can’t even really boycott an artist anymore because all of his music is free.
Walshy Fire: [00:43:35] Yeah. Yeah. So that’s the whole thing right. But you know what it is man its… Yeah, you’re absolutely right. Like boycotting an artist is not a real thing. I mean, boycotting like their sales is not a real thing…
Because it’s not like… It’s not like I even want to do that. I don’t want to boycott nobody’s music. Yo make your music the way you want to make it. But just know what you’re going to have to deal with social media presence.
AGARD: [00:43:59] Right.
Walshy Fire: [00:43:59] …Of People asking You questions and you can… you’re going to have to be ignorant. Yo did you see the video of the Harlem dude smacking that girl with the skateboard?
AGARD: [00:44:08] Yeah man.
Walshy Fire: [00:44:09] When you watch that video, and you say to yourself, yo, I’ve seen this in real life tons of times. Especially growing up in Miami. I’ve seen a girl reject a guy and get Knocked out. Punch in the face. Everybody’s laughing. I might have been laughing. True ignorance.
I understand where y’all are coming from. I get it. Yo trust me. We loved that music. We vibed that music. Right Now if somebody play a bad man song, we step out. Yo! But We’ve lost tons of friends. We have lots of friends that got murdered by other black people.
We’ve got tons of girls who had early pregnancies, got HIV, just didn’t understand nothing about life and guidance. We have too many stories of people whose life are gone or failed because of energy. I was watching Vlad one time and he had, not Pusha T. Wha di bredda name again? Malice.
Right. Yeah. Malice was like, yo I wonder how many times somebody went to go do a drive by listening to my song. How many times Somebody said yo I’m gonna go rob that house. And as they pulling up they’re listening to my song. Yo I remember when I used to do dumb s___. Mob Deep.
AGARD: [00:45:38] Son, I was just about to say that.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:45:42] I get it man. Like I was having a conversation with my 19-year-old son, like the day. I played 36 Chambers. I played… We were listening, listening to 50, Get Rich and Die Trying.
And I’m like, yeah, this is what I was doing when this was out. Know I’m saying. And its just by the grace of God say me nuh… You know, I didn’t succumb to all the traps. You know, I’m saying. You know, there’s different soundtracks for different things, man.
Walshy Fire: [00:46:10] We were all there man.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:46:12] Right now its like a consciousness. I think people’s consciousness is elevated. If that’s what you’re saying?
Walshy Fire: [00:46:19] I agree and i’ve said in another interview. I believe that “niggering” will end in our lifetime. I believe in the next 20 years we’ll see a major decline in “niggerism.” And before I die, “niggering” will be a super-obscure…
Like you when you see a nigga nig, you gonna be like, whoa. You remember doing s___ like that? I remember one time me get inna one big bloodclot… Nah. Ne nah go tell the story. But, yo, I’ve done all the niggin’ things you can think of. I’ve done them all.
Walshy Fire: [00:46:55] And I look back at those moments and I go, “f____ idiot!” I’m so glad you’re still here. I’m so glad that life has decided… Yo the universe was like, “nah we gon’ f_____ with You for a little bit longer. We’d like you to do a few more things.” Because we’ve got a bonafied bredrins.
You think Dagga was the only one out there doing dumb stuff. Everybody know I was right next to Dagga. I was right next to Dagga on the Greyhound bus. On what’s the airline that crash? ValueJet. I was on… I was zipping up and down Eastern Parkway. I was Brookline Projects, Star City, we was f____ Carnarsie up.
And I just had a bit of like, “yo, I don’t really know where this is gonna go.” Actually, it was the fucking New York winter that was like… I was like, “yo no, f____ way man. Get through another one of these man. Imma go back to Miami.” Best thing I ever did. Shortly after that Dagga gets murdered.
Everybody know that was my best friend man. Everybody know that. So, you know, I look at like situations so much differently than I think a younger person does. But I don’t think I’m looking at… I don’t think anybody at my age group 35 to 45… I don’t think they think any different for me.
I think they look at life and go, “yo, I can’t believe we made it through that s___”. The 90s was f____ed. The 90s was crazy and that’s anywhere USA dot com. Anywhere cah me can tell you seh me never go New York til 1994. And the things I saw in New York. I was like yo I thought Miami was f___ crazy.
AGARD: [00:48:31] It’s just a different crazy.
Walshy Fire: [00:48:32] And then when we reach Atlanta now. Me a say, yo Atlanta f___ crazy. We have Freaknick. We like yo, What the f___ is this?
Kahlil Wonda: [00:48:38] It’s different. It’s a different crazy.
Walshy Fire: [00:48:40] It’s a different crazy. You know, you start to realize yo the whole world has ghettos. And the whole world has a set a certain level of like relate-ability. And so I can fit right in to a Brooklyn situation because cat will be like, “yo, he gets it.”
And a Brooklyn person normally can usually just fit right in and be like, “oh, he gets it,” you know? So I think I look at that and I go, man anybody that’s in my age group. They understand what we went through. They understand what we went through? And the know what I’m saying is true.
I would literally say, yo, anybody whe nuh agree with what me a say, DM me. Message me. That’s over thirty-five. DM me or message me right now and tell me you haven’t lost enough friends to make you say yo You know what it is. It’s a little bit of this, a little bit of this. A little bit at this, a little bit of that and Kaboom.
Ish goes crazy. So now that I know I add a little bit of this a little bit of this and I get a f____ firework. Let me just get rid all of it. And music is a part of that man. We cannot act like it. We can’t act ignorant. I can’t act like when “Tear the Club Up” would come on, We didn’t actually tear the f_____ club up.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:49:55] You can’t count the fights b… Just that song alone.
Walshy Fire: [00:49:58] Yo me nuh mean fi over-do it dawg, but you know say… Its passion.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:50:07] Yo a this we do you know.
Walshy Fire: [00:50:07] Yeah music is what we do so its just passion. But I’m not saying you gotta come out with some old p___-a__ song like, you know, some old kumbayah. But I am saying yo protect that energy man, because there’s a bigger purpose happening.
And I really believe that the niggerin’ is going to end in my lifetime, which means one day black people are going to draw a line and sand, and anybody who does not want to move forward will step on one side of that dirt and those people will end up perpetuating and continuing until they literally kill themselves, until they decimate themselves to nothing.
Walshy Fire: [00:50:46] They will be the ones that continue to go to prison. They’ll be the ones that will continue to kill themselves and everybody else. You could be from the projects who could have no money, no nothing happening. No parents, no guidance, but you don’t want to be in prison or dead. Come on this side of the f____ line. Figure it out. We’ll figure it out.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:51:06] And hopefully, there’s a song that you hear that helps you.
Walshy Fire: [00:51:08] There’s got to be a song. No hopefully.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:51:09] …that helps you go that way.
Walshy Fire: [00:51:11] So boom. The song is going to make you think about your life. The song cannot say, “I can’t wait to go ahead and drink some lean,” because you are going to end up on that side of the line. If you think that drinking heroin is going to get you ahead in life, it’s going to kill you. Would you like examples? You got tons.
AGARD: [00:51:33] Yeah man. A whole Generation.
Walshy Fire: [00:51:34] A whole generation. We’ve got tons. So if you… If you a Pree, what I’m saying and I think I’m really just speaking to anybody else under 35 now do your best, your best for everybody around you, because that energy is going to resonate for generations. It’s going to fill you with either great or bad.
And if you happen to have kids before that bad kills you or puts you in prison its gonna jump into them. But they will be like, know, my dad was the drug dealing in rapper. He was the don of all dons. He killed niggas. Nah that’s wack. You know, so I’m holding everybody accountable personally. And I think that as a community, we’re going to start speaking out a lot more.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:51:34] Reggae lover is down with that.
Walshy Fire: [00:52:16] When we start to somebody a drop a song whe… Imma me see the… Imma get a promotion and man say bloodclot. I’m not gonna say I’m going to hate. I won’t be in your comments, hating. I’ll be your D.M. trying to reason with you. I’m not going to publicly try to style you.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:52:32] Right.
Walshy Fire: [00:52:33] I’ll be in your DM reasoning with you say yo man. Yo give me a call. Cause nuff times still you know test is not the way. Its just… It just never works. Every man whe ever deal with a girl know say that just… This thing just nah go work. Text-wise. So now i’ll DM you. I might even like trick you and be like yo me waan work. Then when I get you in that studio bro. You’ll think its a gospel song we ago mek.
AGARD: [00:53:00] Some different levels.
Walshy Fire: [00:53:02] Me just ago reason out your rassclot ears.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:53:07] Yo. That’s been missing for so long bro. I know you’ve been doing it bro.
Walshy Fire: [00:53:12] I haven’t been doing enough though right. So, you know, like I said before, is not is not me one. I’m reaching out to everybody to say, yo. The moment you hear that song, the moment you hear that song, the moment you hear that song. D.M. that guy. If you choose to be in the comments, do that.
I won’t do that. Let that person know the first time you hear the song is like, “yo, me pick up with matic and then anywhere me go me woulda shot, and me a see a bwoy pon the corner me pop it…”. Ask them, yo, why are you so scary? Why are you a scary ass-nigga?
Because you do not put the gun on the people that got you in that condition. Scary, scary. You know that if you kill that guy on the other corner, nobody’s gonna give a f___. You’re scary.
AGARD: [00:54:00] Yeah. To your point. I’ve seen a lot of people speaking up like, yo, there’s a list out there in terms of. Yeah, I know the movement right now is, you know, police reform and all this, that and the other. But don’t get it twisted once that’s that’s on its way.
You know, we’re turning the mirror on ourselves. You know, I see a lot of that energy out there. And, you know, what you’re saying is right. You know, and I feel the same way. You know, there’s no way that I should feel like I can’t, you know, walk down my block and just say, what’s up to the youngins.
You know, I mean, like, I can’t be your enemy too. You know what I mean. So, I mean, and I think that’s coming man. And it may seem like a quote-unquote militant view, but it’s an optimistic view, really and truly, because that’s what’s coming. That’s it. Yeah, man. So what else are you working on, man?
Walshy Fire: [00:54:56] Well, me just deh yah man. Right now me just deh yah. Like me say already I don’t really want to say it so much. I just do my best.
AGARD: [00:55:05] We already know you’re coming out with the book.
Walshy Fire: [00:55:07] I’m coming out of the book. Right. But again, maybe that was too much. Sunday, I do my clashes. You guys always please support them. 2pm New York City time on YouTube and on Walshy Fire’s Facebook.
Yeah. Music, music. Music. Man writing sessions, production things, and you done know man. And I love you guys man. And its so good to see you guys doing this. Really appreciate this.
Walshy Fire: [00:55:30] Of course, big up to all the reggae lovers out there. Hopefully I didn’t divert this whole show because I love reggae guys. Hopefully you don’t think like you know what I’m saying. Oh, man, why is he like… Nah I’m a reggae lover man. So but big up to everybody man. I really appreciate the energy and thank you guys for having me on man.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:55:46] Yeah Man, we appreciate your positivity, insight. You know, I mean, and all the work that you contributed to the business, you know, I’m saying like, definitely you know props. Give you your roses right here in real time. You understand.
Walshy Fire: [00:56:01] Thank you.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:56:02] You deserved the accolades. I’m saying you deserve it. Deserve it all. Salute.
AGARD: [00:56:08] Yes. And yo, we appreciate it because especially having you on right now, because the time merits this energy. I’m saying I was telling Kahlil earlier, like, yeah, of course we wanted you on the show earlier. But what’s going on right now? Like its such an important time.
And I think everything that you’re saying, you know, it does relate to reggae. It does relate our culture as a Caribbean people, you know. Our culture as Blacks living in American and around the world. So, yo, appreciate you, bro. And, you know, I’m always there whenever invited.
Walshy Fire: [00:56:42] Always. You the real… You’re the real road warrior.
AGARD: [00:56:44] Real quick. You know, it’s funny. I remember the first time we re linked again. It was after you guys did. I think it was Jimmy Fallon. You was at was it Miss Lillie’s? I was like, yo, they over there? Let me go check em yo.
You know what I’m saying. So from that day forward man. Because even before that I was like, yo Major Lazer man you know I’m saying and now I’m a big ass Walshy Fire fan. So you know, I mean.
Walshy Fire: [00:57:11] I appreciate it bro.
AGARD: [00:57:12] Yeah man it’s real. So yo you and your fam stay safe. Can’t we wait to see you again in real life. Celebrate life. And we gonna be there to support everything that you do, man. So thank you again man.
Walshy Fire: [00:57:26] Much respect kids.
AGARD: [00:57:28] Yeah. Definitely.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:57:30] Until Next time. Bless us.
Walshy Fire: [00:57:32] Yeah. Yo, Kahlil Wonda!
End of Walshy Fire Interview
Kahlil Wonda: [00:57:41] Yo, yo, it was crazy, son. That was such a fun convo.
AGARD: [00:57:46] Yeh man its like the real deal. I mean, like, very, very much. No, I don’t want to say it: Militant, and energetic. But it was kind of militant, and energetic, you know.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:57:57] Which is a good combination, I think.
AGARD: [00:57:59] Yeah, definitely. Definitely. So big up Walshy Fire. Big Up everything he has going on. No, I’m saying as this is aires, I believe, you know, there’s a couple of different things he’s still involved with. The quarantine clashes are still going on.
You know, singles releasing seemingly every month, you know. You know, obviously outside is not open right now. But, you know, check out his releases. You know, maybe look forward to a book in the future. You know, that was something we kind of touched on. You know, that type of stuff.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:58:32] Yeah. And if you haven’t checked out ABENG, definitely cop ABENG. Stream ABENG. That’s A-B-E-N-G. That’s the new the latest release, the debut album from Washy Killer… Washy Fire. See I’m still stuck in, the stuck in the 90s yo.
AGARD: [00:58:50] Yeah man you know I recently was on Hecklers and they shared Black Chiney versus Super Twitch which was from last decade I believe may have been in 2008. Something like that, 2009. I kind of… I can’t remember. Yeah Walshy and Bobby Chin giving it to the Super Twitch, you know. So, you know, back then it’s still Walshy Killer. So big up Black Chiney crew. Bobby, Willie.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:59:16] Yeah. Dun know. For real. Let’s go into our Tastemaker / Buzzworthy / the soundclash update. First and foremost, I want to shout out Buju Banton, celebrated an Earth strong last week.
AGARD: [00:59:33] Yeah man.
Kahlil Wonda: [00:59:34] Also celebrated the official gold plaques for the Til Shiloh album being delivered and presented in Jamaica. So Donovan Jermaine and Buju himself got those called plaques to commemorate the successful record sales of that classic.
AGARD: [00:59:54] Speaking of classics, you know, I don’t know if you got to check out the video Vice News did on Shaggy’s “It wasn’t me.”
Kahlil Wonda: [01:00:02] Yeah, I saw some of it know.
AGARD: [01:00:04] Yeah. I mean, if you guys want to check out what went behind the music of know how Shaggy’s meteoric rise to diamond status was almost nothing at all. Check that out. This is a very interesting little documentary that Vice News did on “It wasn’t me” and How it Got Made. Shout out to Sting International, Shaggy, Rick Ross. No, Rick Rock. Sorry.
Kahlil Wonda: [01:00:30] The tastemaker. This week, I want you guys to check out the new album from Richie Spice. Albums called Together We Stand. Released on June 12th. Fifteen songs. Fifty seven minutes running time. 2020 album features Chronixx. It also features Dre Island and a feature from a singer called Katherine Aria.
Look out for the Valleu of Jehosephat. That’s like the hot single right now, a.k.a. Red Hot. Valley of Jehosephat. So I talked to Ras Jamal and he broke it down for me. You know, the value of Jehosephat is mentioned in the Bible, in Revelations. And this is basically what you hear referred to as the “valley of decision” in a lot of 70s reggae music.
And this is where God comes back to judge. Yeah, it’s judgment day. So he’s talking about the Valley of Jehosephat on this song. And I believe the inspiration was what’s going on right now with the virus and the pandemic and everything. So definitely.
I’m still looking for anybody that knows what rhythm that is. If that’s a foundation rhythm or if it’s an original rhythm. If anybody knows. Definitely hit me up online on social or, you know, ReggaeLoverPodcast@Gmail.com.
The rhythm is serious. You know, I’m saying it’s a serious tune. Washly and us, we just talked about, you know, the lack of revolutionary music. This is one of those songs right here. And I’m saying that is definitely spot on. So and it’s timely. So big ups to Richie Spice. Song with Chronixx is Fire as well. That one is called “Unity We Need.”
Some new music. Definitely deh road. I know Protegé is preparing his new album. Yeah, man. So we talk about soundclash from time to time on this show, you know.
On the quick sound clash update tip. And this is kind of a tastemaker for you guys. Some of the stuff that we may refer to from time to time, such as hecklers, a profile on SoundCloud.
That’s SoundCloud dot com and if you search for a Hecklers Inc, you’ll find that page. And what they do is they upload classic as well as new audio. The people that run it had like a huge cassette collection.
And they take these old cassettes and they convert them to digital and put them out online so you can hear clashes, juggling as well as mixtapes from as far back as you can imagine, all the way up to current present times. Make sure you check that out.
And one of the dudes that’s involved in Hecklers, also has a live radio show called Rumble Talk Thursdays. That’s as each and every Thursday on sound chat radio. And you can find that on tune in or Irishandchin dot com. Rumble Talk Thursdays is from 6 to 8p.m. Eastern Standard Time and that’s the number one sound clash talk show for the industry right now.
AGARD: [01:03:30] This week, we got a chance to check out a clash that happened in Jamaica. It’s interesting. It’s like a hybrid clash. I mean, the same thing happened last week where it’s. It’s an online clash, but there’s also live people live.
You know, I’m saying it’s not like a big crowd or anything. But is this still an environment of, like you still here and forwards and energy and stuff like that. So it was super gold versus natural vibes vs. black rosez, right?
Kahlil Wonda: [01:03:59] Yeah.[01:04:01] Yeah, man. And, you know, I’m seeing a lot of good energy. You know, I’m saying shout out to, you know, subgoal natural vibes, you know. I’m definitely familiar with those sounds. Black roses. I feel like growing up maybe. I don’t know. I don’t know if it’s the same black roses, but I know maybe black.
Kahlil Wonda: [01:04:18] Its Black Roze.
AGARD: [01:04:19] Black rose. So it’s a different…?
Kahlil Wonda: [01:04:22] I don’t know if it what you know from growing up, but I’m just saying the sound name is Black Roze.
AGARD: [01:04:28] Ok. Yeah. So I’m not sure how old they are, but that’s the first time I’m listen to Black Rose in recent history. I would like to say that this is a very energetic clash. A lot of good content. Super gold definitely surprised me. Avatar surprised me.
Kahlil Wonda: [01:04:46] He has arrived. Super gold at Avatar at the helm has arrived.
AGARD: [01:04:52] Yeah, man.
Kahlil Wonda: [01:04:52] Was it a fluke? Will we see this type of thing again? I don’t know. But this was definitely a good showing in comparison to what we saw in the last few outings for them.
AGARD: [01:05:06] Yeah, I mean, last time I heard Supergold was vs. probably King Eternity. I believe that took place in Brooklyn.
Kahlil Wonda: [01:05:14] Ok. I’m thinking of that Jah Mickey One…
AGARD: [01:05:18] That was also another one.
Kahlil Wonda: [01:05:19] …Debacle in Jamaica.
AGARD: [01:05:21] Yes. I think both of those might have been around the same time. Might have been around the same year. But, yeah, you know, look big up Gold Teeth. But, you know, throughout the years, you know, we’ve known Supergold as a sound that’s always been on the scene. Especially in America, you know, Texas.
Kahlil Wonda: [01:05:43] Atlanta, Houston.
AGARD: [01:05:44] Yeah, exactly.
Kahlil Wonda: [01:05:45] And, you know, this Jamaica leg is currently doing their thing
AGARD: [01:05:48] Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, yes, it was a good outing by them. They definitely know the box. They definitely have energy, timing. Natural vibes. I know natural vibes as a juggling sound. No, I’m saying natural vibes. I know from Brooklyn, you know, New York City. But then there’s also a leg in in Atlanta. You know that we know as well.
This is my first time getting to really hear the Jamaica leg of it. So, I mean, there was a lot of good energy, you know. And Black Roze did not disappoint either. You know, I’m saying it’s not like there were the best, but at the same time, they kept up. You know, I can’t say that any M.C., you know, you know, dropped the catch, so to speak.
You know, I’m saying it was definitely a solid, solid performance by everybody. So if you’re into Sound Clash, this is definitely this week’s pick for us. You know, go go to Hecklers page and they’ll hook it up for you. I also listened to Fire Linx versus Bass Oddyssey on the hecklers page.
Another great, you know, saying Fire Linx, you’re always going to have energy. So those are a few things. You know, if you’re still in quarantine, if you still can’t, you know where you’re at. You can’t necessarily go out and socialize. If you want to feel like, you know, you want to hear some dub plates. You know, I’m saying put these audio files on on your system. Buck it loud, you know, enjoy.
Kahlil Wonda: [01:07:14] I think that’s what you had for sound clash for this week. Now, I wanted to read some fan mail that we got right this week.[01:08:19] Greetings Highlanda Sound. I am writing from a small town called Juja in Kenya and want to congratulate you guys on you 200th episode of the Reggae Lover Podcast. Wow, what a piece of work!
I discovered your podcast 3 weeks ago by googling the top 10 reggae podcasts and the passion oozing out of the show is just inspiring. I started from episode one and so far have listened to over 30 episodes. My best show so far was The Business of Reggae.
I have also been recreating the shows playlists from the early episodes and using them to sharpen my juggling skills and picking out ideas on how to create playlists. I will be playing for the first time in public this coming Sunday.
Kahlil and AGARD keep up the goodwork and I wish you all the best. Bless, Dumbi ‘Papa Gwiji’ Lolik
AGARD: [01:08:19] Yeah, man. Powerful, powerful, powerful. I mean, no, that’s part, that’s. That’s part of reason why we do this. Right.
You know, part of reason why you did the mixes, the previous type of form of the podcast, the spread this music world wide and literally, you know that that letter encompasses, you know, everything that we’re trying to do, you know, spread the music, spread the culture, you know, not only reggae culture, but deejay culture, selective culture, sound system, culture.
Yeah, exactly. So that’s big deal. Begbie so big up upon the listeners in Kenya and all over the constant continent of Africa. You know, I’m saying all over Asia, South America. I mean, it’s is is major to to have that feedback. You know, I’m saying thank you. Appreciate it.
Kahlil Wonda: [01:09:06] Yeah. Man. And hope you rocked out on your first show and did a good job. You know, I’m saying feel free to hit us up once again. Guys, listen out for the Vault Classic Music Reviews podcast, which is another music podcast.
Music commentary podcast out of the USA featuring a host that’s actually Grenadian by the fall. The show focuses mostly on hip hop and RB, but on the occasion they review classic reggae albums and their latest episode from last week featured a review till Shiloh, the classic Buju Banton album after 25 years.
So I got together with the host and we went through and just chopped it up about that album. I broke it down and analyzed it all types of ways. And obviously the outcome was, you know, we both deemed it a super-duper classic as classic could be, you know, album and like everybody’s top five. I mean, but check out that whole interview, the whole episode on the vault. Classic music reviews. Podcasts.
AGARD: [01:10:14] Yeah. Shout out to the vault crew. You know, unfortunately, I couldn’t make it to the recording. No, the universe would not. Let me add some issues, but shout out to them. You know, I’m saying Brian Charlottes yourself, you know, he’s going to be one of our guests later on this season.
No, I’m saying not to. You know, I mean, whatever. It’s not a surprise. We have guests on. So shout out. Shout out to them. We had a very, very good conversation with him as well. And he gave us some some insight and knowledge about, you know, growing up, you know, Interstate’s is a. Grenadian in Canadian, right? Yeah, in in Washington, the D.C., the DMV area. So shout out to Brian and the whole crew.
Kahlil Wonda: [01:10:57] Yeah, man. Look out for next week. We have another. Fabulous guests. Great interview with JillianAire from the Major Lazer Crew. Jillionaire out of Trinidad. You guys don’t want to miss that. Please tell a friend to tell a friend shared a link.
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